Ok, let me explain. Three things were of paramount importance for keeping Dalits at bay. 1 - Denying access to currency 2 - illiteracy 3 - Denying access to power structure i.e. courts, legislator, local bodies etc. 1 - Currency empowers a person because he can do whatever he wants with it. In old days Dalits were not paid in the currency for their work, we used to pay them in grains, clothes and other things of daily necessity. I remember around 2005-2006 when I visited village Barbers, Dhobis, field workers etc were paid in grains and clothes. Daliton ke had men paisa nahi diya jata tha. Nowadays barber charges RS30 for a haircut, and the field worker gets RS 300-400 a day. 2 - Dalits are no longer illiterate which has lead to qualitative and argumentative improvements in their movement. 3 - Reservation has opened the door for them to access the power structure. There is one more method that was relevant to some Dalit castes, but I won't mention it. Those UCs who dream of getting back to old UC-Dalit dynamics live in delusion, that train has left the station a long time ago.
>>255436 >Dalits are no longer illiterate which has lead to qualitative and argumentative improvements in their movement. TopKek
>>255436 > Those UCs who dream of getting back to old UC-Dalit dynamics live in delusion, that train has left the station a long time ago. Pretty much.
>>255436 >Dalits are no longer illiterate which has lead to qualitative and argumentative improvements in their movement hehe sure man
>>255441 > Denial of Dalits into temples, which were the learning and economic centres in India. > Denial of last rites in common grounds as normal ones https://theprg.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/dalits-and-the-emancipatory-sikhism-rajkumarhans-2008.pdf http://indiafacts.org/book-review-western-foundations-of-the-caste-system/ There is a third book that I forget right now. The 2nd one is better. A lot of research on Dalit issues is bad since its taken up by lefties, who have a poltiical goal and thus the actual research suffers.
>>255444 It's a more recent phenomenon but you cannot deny it exists when entry to temples, rapes and even denial of filing FIR's is the norm in many villages. It disappears in cities or Industrialized zones, because jobs and money don't care for caste.
>>255441 > There was hardly any taboo on intermarriage, change of occupation or commensahty. We have instances of marriages of BrahTtiamts with Bdjanya women, and of the union of Arya and ^udra. Families were not wedded to a particular profession. “I am,” says the author of a hymn, “a poet, my father is a doctor, and my mother is a grinder of corn. With our different views, seeking after gain, we run, as after cattle.” There was no ban on the taking of food cooked by the Sudras, and there is no evidence that impurity was communicated by the touch or contact of the inferior castes. > The rigid restrictions with regard to occupation, comraensality, etc., originated, according to recent writers, not with the Aryans but with the totemistic proto-Australoid and the Austro-Asiatic inhabitants of pre-Dravidian India who dreaded the magical effects of the practice of strange crafts and the taking of tabooed food. A taboo on intermarriage is also traced to a similar source. The Aryan invader, with his ideas about colour and hypergamy, simply crystallised and perpetuated a system which was already in existence and was based on the taboo arising from magical ideas. Other factors, geographieal, economic, and religious, have had their share ia later developments. R C Majumdar - An advanced history of India. This book every Indian should have. It's not up to date but one of the best books out there on Indian history.
>>255448 I don't deny the recent ones, but as is a norm in every culture in history, a whole community that has been subjected to oppression for centuries definitely revolts sometimes against the whole system, no such incident in bharat
>>255451 this, NRI's are just out of touch with the harsh reality on ground, west has made them soft
>>255448 Abey I'm talking about Vedic times. How did they become Dalits did our ancestors oppressed them all this oppression Olympics is true or not and why didn't they rebel if all this is true considering their population how brahkikes were able to subjugate them?
>>255454 This, whenever reservation and it's solution comes bhangis always cry about "pls gib us UC pussy and shieeet". They're the Niggers of India.
>>255459 >thinks bheemtas represent all of dalits If you want to see the actual representative of Dalits look at dalitendra. Unironically even as an obc i can say that, maybe there was a discrimination and maybe there are places where it still happens but neither it gives right to chutiya like bheemtas to push insult UCs or ask for their genocide and normally i have not met castist UCs in reality. I had brahmin friend, rajput, yadav (my own caste) and all of them have been nicer, yes this is anecdotal evidence but i hate this chutiyapa of caste, not the varna system itself. I think caste gives a root, a base a gravity so that we know where we came from, some of them may have suffered but good things is that most of us evolved from there and worked hard to be something in life. In the real life how many people actually give a fuck about anyone's caste? Trads and Bheemtas need to get their shit together. Atleast trads are still okay cuz they stick to their religion and fight for it unlike bheemtas who actively try to act as a victim.
>>255465 you don't realize it anon, the varna system was there for a reason, if we let it let it fall, the wild nature of every varna will come out it was set there up for a reason, we must preserve it for future generations it was the sole source of wealth of india, it will be the only source of its riches in the future
>>255465 If you read through history you would realise that India was btfo'd only because people were not united, everyday i see inchfags infighting over muh caste muh steppe it's all tiresome. I have been here for almost 2 years, at least in the past we used to regularly btfo k2a but now it's just useless caste shitshow, i wonder how many of you are actually larping and how many of you are just retards who think that acting like a retard on a machli making forum is somehow good will change the situation.
>>255466 I unironically like varna system though i think there's a difference between how i perceive it, is it about no intercaste marriage? Honestly I don't care about it, i am okay as long as it is consentual but it shouldn't be forced and i absolutely loath when bheemtas attack brahmins or rajputs or other warrior groups because of their caste and screech about 'gib your women' which is just subhuman tier honestly and vice versa. If we go by pew survey, most of the hindus are redpilled on eugenics, no one likes marrying outside caste. So this isn't even an issue to me for now. Though from what i know varna is not same as caste but i got contrary points regarding that so i don't know. I hate it when people say we need casteless society like that is the dumbest thing to say, why do you want to give up your history? Your lineage and disrespect your ancestors? Yeah it shouldn't be forced but if someone wants to have new caste then go ahead. Also, reservations are retarded but again bheemtas and trads will kill each other cuz it's like catch 22, where bheemtas will screech 'castism leads to reservation' and vice versa in case of ucs.
>>255450 Stop dickriding Majumdhar his research is unreliable for caste system. We know with genetic data that caste rigidity in terms of marriage was high(so much so there's a genetic differences between various castes). Caste rigidity in terms of occupation is a meme. Yes a Brahmin could be a general or Chief minister or even an emperor but a dalit had much narrower options.
>>255470 >caste rigidity was higher maybe because people prefer to marriage and bond in similar communities? Isn't it true even now? Almost 80%+ hindus support inner caste marriage.
Let's be honest, forcing/encouraging inter caste marriage is wrong. If people don't want to marry chamars , you cannot force theme. inb4 brahkike , I am a Vaishya
>>255451 They are the biggest funders of BJP and RSS. So your opinion will never be regarded. Because "Put your money where your mouth is"
>>255452 It's definitely exaggerated. Some of the richest communities in India were lower caste. Why Dalit's got screwed was because no skills.
>>255459 This is because Dalit politicians screw Dalits the hardest. The richest politicians in India are not Sonia and Rahul but the Mayawati's and Lalu's. UC politics are the biggest scams.
>>255470 I agree. The book is outdated. But he does get many of the macro points correct. > We know with genetic data that caste rigidity in terms of marriage was high(so much so there's a genetic differences between various castes). This happens only 1000 years back. Before that, there is no evidence genetically.
>>255470 Also. THe genetic evidence of caste structure becoming rigid roughly falls in line with the start of Turkik invasions. I am not implying that they caused the rigidity of caste in India, but they were certianly a factor. Sadly, most research is shit on this topic.
>>255456 Parshuram. He did rebel against the kings of his day and for good reasons. He was the chaddest of all Hindu's.
>>255538 Abey gaandu Nri bhadwon in asking about after that time yaar bc kitne chutiye ho tum what is the origin of these bhangis, I remember reading they lose their varna and was outcastes but why? And how can fucking 4-5% brahkikes were able to oppressed them. Why didn't they retaliate?
>>255588 why are fags so defensive about this deity ? I have no problem if you worship him but he wasn't real is a fact kek
>>255595 kya karein, bramins rule by fantasy, when this was broken, they are desperately searching for ways to come up with newer and spicier stories
>>255450 load of bullshit tard looks like you are reading what sugarcoats your ideologies, there has been opression ,nobody denies that IVC might not have it that strongly structured,but later subcontinent did had it and it was brutal. >>255456 man even ramayana mentions how on orders literal metal was poured into a lower castes, with slave trading even going in Mahabharata not to mention yoga parivartan and after kali started a lot of pop just died >>255582 not as easy as it sounds anon this is not some this kalyuga bullshit varna vivastha has always fought blood related caste system the numbers mean jackshit ,when the system is made to opress the larger ones. do we have any say how we were dying on streets and now crippled with a falling economy? we are just sevrents as citizens similar in those times
>>255584 > How did Germans let you enter their country They saw what a fine job I did fucking your mother.
>>255760 the guy you mentioned is full of shit you can see the other castes condition just by reading Mahabharat or ramayana there is no point in adressing that evil existed in other yogas, don't have this huge ego almost a source troll PS- you will always be a Non Returning Lundian don't stay in that high horse
>>255762 Lmao NRI pajeet triggered stop projecting what niggers are doing to your randi mother in Germany
>>255467 No you retard. "India" was btfo'd because "India" did not exist, it was a bunch of kings infighting among themselves. What do you expect will happen when Indian kings take European support to defeat their next door king? Caste has nothing to do with it. Stop this chutiyapa "India was defeated cuz muh chamars weren't allowed to marry UC girls"
>>255436 >Those UCs who dream of getting back to old UC-Dalit dynamics live in delusion, that train has left the station a long time ago. Are there really UCs that want that? Most UCs I have met are totally okay with Dalits being equal to them but when bheemtas start we wuzzing and threatening rape of UC women its hard to not get pissed
>>256027 I just keep my distance. Funny how all my best friends turned out to be poomins. Before them I had bania's as friends..
>>256050 Less faggots. Way more degenerate so I liked them more. Plus they are comparitively better looking than my previous friends.. I am >t.khatri but literally all of the closest friends in my college were Brahmins. Three guys all the three Brahmins. Funnily enough my own caste guys were not friends. Two khatri girls but never talked to them properly because autism.
>>255467 Exactly! Imagine believing that dividing the population into 1000 caste groups will make us wealthy, powerful! It's a perfect case for disintegration and foreign subjugation. There is a reason k2as ruled us for 600 years and a literal Company of Merchants conquered the entire subcontinent!