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[SPOILERS] I think Kogami did the right thing.anon755e05
10/20/2020 (Tue) 05:01:497087Mod
I think Kogami did the right thing in killing Makishima

I know that some of you will go "Nyachakka" or something like that, considering I'm only now watching Psycho Pass.

But anyways, while I actually kind of respect Akane as a character (unlike so many other idealistic anime characters, who are just plain lame, insufferable, cringeworthy faggots who should just kys), despite all your capability, if all you're doing is practically giving an extremely dangerous criminal mastermind more and more chances to go and hurt, kill and maim people (while simultaneously giving something as downright evil as Sibyl what it wants, knowing it's true nature), then your legal idealism is ultimately cursing innocents to more suffering (not to mention the way her idealism was deliberately being manipulated by Sibyl into making her a pawn).

Now ofc, I realize that this sort of a judgment would be something far too obvious for the cold cynical bastards of inch, or from the POV of a person who is all about cold hard pragmatism, at an individual or collectivist level.

But notice I used the phrase "the RIGHT thing"'. Even if your fundamental motivations are idealistic, fuelled by a desire to protect people and be the good guy, as long as you're not utterly divorcing yourself from results, the decision is still justified (even if Kogami himself might've been partially at least motivated out of a sense of revenge .... although one could also argue that concept of "Justice" itself is a sanitized, contained form of revenge, exercised at a communal level ... however, I digress).

There will always be the need from time to time, when push comes to shove, for a Knight to rise up and slay the big, bad Dragon. Yes, SLAY. Not castigate, not convict, but SLAY.

While in Akane's dogged legal idealism, he may be a "murderer" (and also, I acknowledge that "doing what needs to be done" can be very much a slippery slope where eventually it ends up being used to justify legit bad stuff), I think Kogami is a bona fide hero for cutting the crap and simply putting down Makishima for good, then and there, instead of trying to be "the (morally) better man".

(Yes, I know ... "toh hum kya kare, bc" ^_^)
anon28985410/20/2020 (Tue) 05:16:007088Mod
>>7087
Are you a girl?

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 05:18:277089Mod
>>7088
No anon, I'm a bona fide male of this species.

anon545dcb10/20/2020 (Tue) 05:22:527090Mod
>>7087
>sibil
> evil
Stopped reading right there. Sibil literally did nothing wrong. Only thing that I would criticise them for is to make death of latent criminals so traumatically gory to passer bys but that's because edgelord anime tards want gore in their cartoons so authors just added it while in reality they would go for an insta kill method.

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 05:26:017091Mod
>>7090
I'm not calling it evil because it does "muh bad things".

I believe I should've made it clear that I myself pretty much belong to the "cold cynical bastard/hardcore pragmatist" myself.

I deem something like sibyl an evil to society (and eventually the species), because it will simply optimize mankind's way to stagnation, decay and then inevitable extinction.

anon545dcb10/20/2020 (Tue) 05:49:017092Mod
>>7091
What mankind wants is to minimize pain and maximize pleasure. Sibil simply provided them with that. Its not Sibil's mistake that mankind wants exactly what would minimize their odds at survival.
Anyways sibyl soyciety isn't shown as some kind of perfect utilitarian utopia. It does show that it requires men such as Kogami for a functioning soyciety hence why Sybil chooses latent criminals and other losers in their soyciety as red shirts sent to die in battle, which was the norm before modernity allowed these men to survive past their 40s. Even most of the inspectors in the show end up as latent criminals or psychologically broken. Only Akane and Mika managed to be mentally sound all through this and that's because Akane is hurr durr speshul while Mika literally brainwashed herself to forget her traumatizing memories to keep her sanity(Don't ask how).
However for a vast majority of people it would be better off that they live a life of minimal pain, even if they are less likely to survive in a difficult situation, who cares as long as there are men dying to protect them who no one else miss? A scientist who'll advance the field of space travel is better off living the life of a noble receiving the best education, nutrients and motivation to do his work, instead of starving and hindering his brain growth when he was a child. Maybe in the future automation would get rid of need of men to die too.

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 06:05:207093Mod
>>7092
>> What mankind wants is to minimize pain and maximize pleasure.

If that's all mankind wanted deep down, then you wouldn't be having people live past their 40s today, because you wouldn't have the capability of the species that even so much as allows that.

That capability wasn't attained by maximizing "pleasure/comfort" and minimizing pain.

And this is coming from someone who generally holds a very cynical view of other people (I'm not saying that "maximize pleasure, minimize pain" is not there but that's hardly all). Most people are trash, but that is hardly the sole reason for it.

Deep down, mankind wants more than just that (although I will readily agree that most can't muster up the personal force/guts to risk following it ... to quote that poem, how most go to their grave with the music still in them). And yes, as a species we do have a tendency to become victims of our success.

What mankind wants is to minimize pain and maximize pleasure. is pretty much the kind of exterior, shallow understanding of mankind that you'd expect the legit, mentally fucked up outcastes of society (like those that make up the sibyl) to posses.

You won't trust someone who plastinates fellow humans for a holistic appraisal of people, now, would you?

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 06:11:287094Mod
>>7092
BTW, as an addendum, did you know that Neoclassical economics, which perhaps even a decade back held sway in academia but is increasingly losing support these days, simply supposed each human to be a perfectly rational unit that was out maximize value gain and minimize loss?

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 06:13:457095Mod
>>7092
>> A scientist who'll advance the field of space travel is better off living the life of a noble receiving the best education, nutrients and motivation to do his work

A mind like that would also have a very high chance of ending up as a "latent criminal".

I hope you can now see exactly why a system like sibyl will herald the stagnation and decay of the species?

anonbfade410/20/2020 (Tue) 06:52:137097Mod
>>7095
>A mind like that would also have a very high chance of ending up as a "latent criminal".
source?

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 07:21:527099Mod
>>7097
People of the sort of produce ground breaking achievements, whether in science, or art or politics ... they're risk takers. They're highly individualistic, idiosyncratic and passion driven.

People like that would not only be likely to get flagged as latent criminals, the kind of life sibyl creates would positively drive them mad.

anon28985410/20/2020 (Tue) 07:25:307100Mod
>>7099
source!? give me an peer reviewed academic source to back up your claims

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 07:45:177101Mod
>>7100
You want a "peer reviewed academic source" regarding why remarkable individuals are eccentric and risk takers ....

anon545dcb10/20/2020 (Tue) 07:54:377102Mod
>>7093
>If that's all mankind wanted deep down, then you wouldn't be having people live past their 40s today, because you wouldn't have the capability of the species that even so much as allows that.
People live past their 40s for the same reason they live past their 30s or 20s or teens, they are optimistic of what future holds and have little to no grasp about what being old looks like. Its for the same reason teenagers and children want to be adults while adults want to be teenagers and children again.
>What mankind wants is to minimize pain and maximize pleasure. is pretty much the kind of exterior, shallow understanding of mankind that you'd expect the legit, mentally fucked up outcastes of society (like those that make up the sibyl) to posses.
And they are not necessarily wrong :^)
Sure there are anomolies but for most cases it can be explained that people tend to seek maximum pleasure. Even the said exceptions might be more motivated by long term goals that would help them experience pleasure to a greater degree, for eg- a guy might be motivated to save a drowning person because the resultant praise is far more appealing than the slight chance that he might be drown with him.
>You won't trust someone who plastinates fellow humans for a holistic appraisal of people, now, would you?
I thought it was hawt :^)
>A mind like that would also have a very high chance of ending up as a "latent criminal".
I think what your are talking about is science celibreties, not necessarily 'scientists'. Maybe what you are talking about is true in case for art or politics where written rules are almost non-existent for something as methodological as science, its not true. Most scientists are born into prosperity and usually are mentally sound and usually have the most normalfag friendly opinions when asked to. Take for instance the dude who led the Atom Bomb project, who was horrified at what he did and called himself a monster while the dudes who bombed it where pretty much okay with what they did and believed it was the right thing to do to end the war.

anon545dcb10/20/2020 (Tue) 08:02:047103Mod
>>7093
As another example, take any Nobel laurette and analyze their opinions and you will find that most of them have pretty normalfaggy opinions and beliefs and rarely do they have any controversial opinions and such or if they do, they are still a product of their time when holding such opinions weren't as controversial as it is today.

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 08:05:297104Mod
>>7102
>> People live past their 40s

They live past their 40s because the human capacity, both in terms of medicine as well as the power to dominate environments, has grown to the point of allowing it, in the case of most humans. Thats what I meant.

anon28985410/20/2020 (Tue) 08:14:517105Mod
>>7101
Oh so you can't prove it. You concede.
Another debate won.

anon545dcb10/20/2020 (Tue) 08:19:097106Mod
>>7104
Are you saying that such capability was borne out of pure altruistic reasons and not out of any self interest? Are all doctors motivated by the service they provide to people or by the rich paycheck they get? Why aren't there as many people motivated to be nurses even though they are both doing the same line of work(My sister in medicine even admits that many nurses in her medical schools knows more than the doctors)?
Anyways people did in fact live past their 40s in the past. The average mortality rate was low because of high infant mortality rate, once they survived till their teens, most people did live long till their 50s and 60s granted they didn't die due to unnatural reasons.

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 08:22:087107Mod
>>7106
>> Are you saying that such capability was borne out of pure altruistic reasons and not out of any self interest?

How is that even relevant to the point? Altruism or the lack of it is neither here nor there.

And no I'm most Certainly NOT saying that it's because of altruistic reasons alone. Far from it.

anon19f5f210/20/2020 (Tue) 08:37:077108Mod
>>7101
You do know what the scientific method is based on don't you? Plato's theory of everything being made of 4 elements was universally accepted until it wasn't.
reels beats feels every-time.

anon755e0510/20/2020 (Tue) 08:44:367109Mod
> I need you to apply scientific method to "prove" things almost as obvious and ubiquitous as 2+2 = 4

anon28985410/20/2020 (Tue) 08:48:117110Mod
>>7109
Cope idiot. Nobody said that. You have conceded and lost the debate

anon71671910/20/2020 (Tue) 08:48:327111Mod
>>7109
More like, I need you to use Plato's 4 elements bullshit to build a rocket that lets you go to the moon.

anon95d0ec10/20/2020 (Tue) 09:20:557114Mod
anon545dcb1 hour ago7106>>7107
>>7104
Are you saying that such capability was borne out of pure altruistic reasons and not out of any self interest? Are all doctors motivated by the service they provide to people or by the rich paycheck they get? Why aren't there as many people motivated to be nurses even though they are both doing the same line of work(My sister in medicine even admits that many nurses in her medical schools knows more than the doctors)?
Anyways people did in fact live past their 40s in the past. The average mortality rate was low because of high infant mortality rate, once they survived till their teens, most people did live long till their 50s and 60s granted they didn't die due to unnatural reasons.

anon755e0558 minutes ago7107
>>7106
>> Are you saying that such capability was borne out of pure altruistic reasons and not out of any self interest?

How is that even relevant to the point? Altruism or the lack of it is neither here nor there.

And no I'm most Certainly NOT saying that it's because of altruistic reasons alone. Far from it.

anon19f5f243 minutes ago7108
>>7101
You do know what the scientific method is based on don't you? Plato's theory of everything being made of 4 elements was universally accepted until it wasn't.
reels beats feels every-time.

anon755e0535 minutes ago7109>>7110>>7111

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> I need you to apply scientific method to "prove" things almost as obvious and ubiquitous as 2+2 = 4

anon28985432 minutes ago7110
>>7109
Cope idiot. Nobody said that. You have conceded and lost the debate

anon71671932 minutes ago7111
>>7109
More like, I need you to use Plato's 4 elements bullshit to build a rocket that lets you go to the moon.

anon28946010/24/2020 (Sat) 19:52:387210Mod
>>7087
I saw the anime because of your essaypost
Now tell me OP, are the other two seasons worth watching?

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